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I think you manage just fine without a new skill and without strontium. Try at least to put some effort in those excuses. Or be honest: "We put a new 8x Skill in, because we can." , is a more valid reason than that strotium lie.

CCP, I have said earlier that I think the changes are wonderful, BUT I really think you guys ought to consider Marauders as they relate to PVE platforms, and specifically with Incursions. Incursions are, I believe, the "pinnacle" of high sec PVE, and as such, Marauders should have a place there. With the Bastion module, however, I think Marauders in Incursions will be limited, because it disables the ability to receive reps.

Thus, I would suggest that perhaps you make TWO BASTION MODULES:

One Bastion variant would do the same that the current proposed Bastion module does, and the

other Bastion variant would provide bonuses that make it a competent ship in Incursions, perhaps receiving a bonus to received reps, tracking bonus, or similar.

The idea is NOT to buff Marauders into mini dreads, so I don't think that adding damage bonuses on the "Incurision-oriented Bastion Module" is right, but a tracking bonus, explosion radius/velocity or similar damage application bonus, since Incursions are always run with Logi support and are often firing at smaller targets. Both Bastion modules would render the ship immobile, but one would buff its tank and make it ewar immune and the other would buff its damage application but it would be SUSCEPTIBLE to ewar.

Having two modules would provide compelling choices for strong tank/ewar immunity/damage range VS better damage application for smaller targets. Perhaps this is where you could build in a web range/speed bonus or similar. Again, the idea is NOT to buff their damage but to provide compelling gameplay decisions that we as players love. It would also add an element of surprise to someone engaging a Marauder.

Just another quick update.

• We are removing the BASTION TRANSFORMERTHINGIEGäó SKILL, as the name was just too awesome to be released to the public (ok ok, more seriously we got the point: having to train a new rank 8 skill just for this module wasn't appealing). Instead, the bastion mode will use high energy physics 4 and energy grid upgrades 5. The former is rank 5, the later you already need to fly the class. The bastion mode cycle time will be reduced to 60s by default to compensate.


• We hear you regarding having to drop the safeties to use the bastion mode in high-sec - we're going to fix it so you don't have to drop them to use the module. However you'll still receive a weapon timer when activating it.

Adjusting OP to reflect this.

EDIT: remember all of this is subject to change - training high energy physics is at your own risk if the bastion mode skill requirements change.

Just another quick update.

• We are removing the BASTION TRANSFORMERTHINGIEGäó SKILL, as the name was just too awesome to be released to the public (ok ok, more seriously we got the point: having to train a new rank 8 skill just for this module wasn't appealing). Instead, the bastion mode will use high energy physics 4 and energy grid upgrades 5. The former is rank 5, the later you already need to fly the class. The bastion mode cycle time will be reduced to 60s by default to compensate.


• We hear you regarding having to drop the safeties to use the bastion mode in high-sec - we're going to fix it so you don't have to drop them to use the module. However you'll still receive a weapon timer when activating it.

Adjusting OP to reflect this.

EDIT: remember all of this is subject to change - training high energy physics is at your own risk if the bastion mode skill requirements change.

I dunno if your view isnt to fleet fight centered? The changes arent meant to be for big fleet fights its still a Highend PvE Ship and they clearly stated this in the OP.

Its a welcome change after 6 years of ignoring Marauders because Pirate Ships where simply better...

You just get a weapon timer (requires security to be turned off though).

I am not really happy to see everyone beging for more and more dps, i dont think thats a good direction, in the end it leads us to a "Need for Speed" like event where Alpha and DPS got nerfed like Nanos got back then...

I am a sadpuppy that 80% of this Thread is just ignorant or "to-stupid-to-read", please no changes CCP we dont want something New we just want just better and more expensive **** like in WoW, bigger is better, T3>T1 at any means give us MOAR!!!!!

I am a sadpuppy that 80% of this Thread is just ignorant or "to-stupid-to-read", please no changes CCP we dont want something New we just want just better and more expensive **** like in WoW, bigger is better, T3>T1 at any means give us MOAR!!!!!

No they dont want to make them a PvP Ship just not completly useless like in the current form.

The idea itself is great - shoehorning it onto marauders is whats ruining it.

After thinking about this for somtime time..

Leave marauders as they are

But as for these mini-dreads - Rokh, Baddon, Hype & Mael - are all yet to see a T2 varient!

so people who want the mini dreads can have them
& those they still love the marauders as they are can still have them too!!

Time for another update.

We discussed the Marauder situation further and came with the following changes:

• Shield, armor and hull 30% resistance boosts have been removed on the Bastion Module - instead, all Marauders will now get proper tech2 resists. This will allow Marauders to have better RR use outside Bastion and reduce overall tanking effectiveness inside the mode.


• We have removed all tanking bonuses on the Marauders hulls (Armor Repairer amount on the Paladin and Kronos, Shield Boost amount on the Golem and Vargur). Instead, we are giving them 7.5% bonus to the velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level. This will not only help reducing their tanking effectiveness, be more in theme with the ship role itself and help anyone using them with short range weapons. We are not giving them a full 10% per level back as this would be extremely powerful in conjunction with the other bonuses / Bastion. We are going to leave the full 10% web strength amount on the Serpentis ships for now and see how things evolve with time.


• Also, we are removing the mass penalty on the Bastion mode. Tests have shown you can't really turn when it's active anyway, and we don't want to have players abuse that to collapse wormholes.

I will change the OP to match the changes.

Super Stuff.

The Bastion Modul is awesome, but no Ship should be forced to use a specific Modul to be usefull... (maybe Stealth Bombers are the only exception...) but anyway, Marauder should use Bastion as possibility not as a must have.

I think your right, but i cant proof it because i lack of experience with SB's.

Anyway, my Point is CCP made a mistake creating Ship Bonus for Moduls, in my opinion Moduls should change if fitted in the right Ship, it could free some Moduls from their Super specific usage, Open more possibilitys in niche Situations.

Sure it would create some horrific rebalancing but it would change Eve in a good Way.

Funny how transforming into bastion mode increases the weight 10 times!!!! it's like making weight out of nothing.